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		<title>By: Long Poem Magazine Launch Reading &#124; Robert Peake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Poem Magazine Launch Reading &#124; Robert Peake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will know I don&#8217;t generally consider myself a long poem poet. At the T.S. Eliot Shortlist Reading last weekend, Sean O&#8217;Brien remarked that one of the most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your process, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your process, John.</p>
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		<title>By: john guzlowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>john guzlowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Robert, it&#039;s an interesting post.  When I started writing poems, I was told to find the exact thing I wanted to say and say no more.  My first poetry teacher was Paul Carroll who came out of the new critical tradition (wrote a terrific book of essays: Poem in its Skin), and that&#039;s what he said.

We would bring our poems to the workshop, and he would look at them and point to a line or two and say, &quot;That&#039;s your poem.  Cut out everything else!&quot;

We all worked toward short and intense poems.  

About ten years ago, I was writing a poem about my mom&#039;s experiences in the Nazi concentration camps.  She had been telling me all of these stories for the first time in her life, and I had pages of notes.  I tried to get them all into one poem, but no matter how I tried I couldn&#039;t get them there--not even one LONG poem.  

That&#039;s when I took the poem I had and choppped it up into 4 poems.  It was a sort of mini-chapbook, and it worked.  

I read the poem (My Mother Talks about the Slave Labor Camps) out loud at a reading and the way the poem built up really moved the audience.  I never heard such nice things about my poems at a reading.  

Since then, I&#039;ve written 3 other long poetry sequences.  The first two of these were nominated for Pushcarts, and the third was published as a chapbook and nominated by for a Pulitzer.

Now when I write, I get to the end of the poem, and I always ask myself, &quot;What more can I say?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Robert, it&#8217;s an interesting post.  When I started writing poems, I was told to find the exact thing I wanted to say and say no more.  My first poetry teacher was Paul Carroll who came out of the new critical tradition (wrote a terrific book of essays: Poem in its Skin), and that&#8217;s what he said.</p>
<p>We would bring our poems to the workshop, and he would look at them and point to a line or two and say, &#8220;That&#8217;s your poem.  Cut out everything else!&#8221;</p>
<p>We all worked toward short and intense poems.  </p>
<p>About ten years ago, I was writing a poem about my mom&#8217;s experiences in the Nazi concentration camps.  She had been telling me all of these stories for the first time in her life, and I had pages of notes.  I tried to get them all into one poem, but no matter how I tried I couldn&#8217;t get them there&#8211;not even one LONG poem.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s when I took the poem I had and choppped it up into 4 poems.  It was a sort of mini-chapbook, and it worked.  </p>
<p>I read the poem (My Mother Talks about the Slave Labor Camps) out loud at a reading and the way the poem built up really moved the audience.  I never heard such nice things about my poems at a reading.  </p>
<p>Since then, I&#8217;ve written 3 other long poetry sequences.  The first two of these were nominated for Pushcarts, and the third was published as a chapbook and nominated by for a Pulitzer.</p>
<p>Now when I write, I get to the end of the poem, and I always ask myself, &#8220;What more can I say?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful encouragement, Felicity. As soon as I set this goal for myself, I immediately began procrastinating. Nobody inherently likes to exercise, but developing those &quot;writing muscles&quot; seems like a good next step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful encouragement, Felicity. As soon as I set this goal for myself, I immediately began procrastinating. Nobody inherently likes to exercise, but developing those &#8220;writing muscles&#8221; seems like a good next step.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intrigued that you&#039;ve been trying to write longer works in the program; I have, too. When I started, I had, admittedly, two thirds of a novel tucked away somewhere, but I had mainly written a mass of microfictions and short shorts, and only a few things that broached the traditional lower bound of &#039;short story&#039;. I found most of my stories, once I started to write in the program, hovering around 3000 words, 4000...the lower bound of some authorities&#039; &quot;short story&quot; standard.

I wanted to write longer stories, but I had a hard time articulating to others, let alone to myself, &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; I cared about an arbitrary standard like length, until I found an &lt;a href=&quot;http://quickfiction.org/features/story.php?pk=43&quot;&gt;interview with Ron Carlson&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s in the online features of the fabulous mag &lt;a href=&quot;http://quickfiction.org/&quot;&gt;Quick Fiction&lt;/a&gt; (which I heartily recommend in its paper body as well) and in it he says &quot;I also think that if you write stories for years, you do develop or sense a rhythm, and when I sensed that my stories were all rounding the corner at about four thousand words, I changed that rhythm.&quot;

I didn&#039;t want to write longer stories because I wasn&#039;t proud of my short ones (which many of my friends and interlocutors assumed) or feared being judged against some imaginary standard of length or seriousness; I wanted to do it because it was a challenge, a way to stretch and develop my writing muscles. Because I&#039;d have to have a different size of idea first.

And it is different; as different, almost, as the experience of writing those 4,000-worders was from my blythe little microfictions. As different as playing a concerto is from playing a little minuet. I feel stronger and bolder for having done it, and irrationally proud of my 28-page, 8,300-word story. I hope you find changing your rhythm and stretching your lines as rewarding as I did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued that you&#8217;ve been trying to write longer works in the program; I have, too. When I started, I had, admittedly, two thirds of a novel tucked away somewhere, but I had mainly written a mass of microfictions and short shorts, and only a few things that broached the traditional lower bound of &#8216;short story&#8217;. I found most of my stories, once I started to write in the program, hovering around 3000 words, 4000&#8230;the lower bound of some authorities&#8217; &#8220;short story&#8221; standard.</p>
<p>I wanted to write longer stories, but I had a hard time articulating to others, let alone to myself, <em>why</em> I cared about an arbitrary standard like length, until I found an <a href="http://quickfiction.org/features/story.php?pk=43">interview with Ron Carlson</a>. It&#8217;s in the online features of the fabulous mag <a href="http://quickfiction.org/">Quick Fiction</a> (which I heartily recommend in its paper body as well) and in it he says &#8220;I also think that if you write stories for years, you do develop or sense a rhythm, and when I sensed that my stories were all rounding the corner at about four thousand words, I changed that rhythm.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t want to write longer stories because I wasn&#8217;t proud of my short ones (which many of my friends and interlocutors assumed) or feared being judged against some imaginary standard of length or seriousness; I wanted to do it because it was a challenge, a way to stretch and develop my writing muscles. Because I&#8217;d have to have a different size of idea first.</p>
<p>And it is different; as different, almost, as the experience of writing those 4,000-worders was from my blythe little microfictions. As different as playing a concerto is from playing a little minuet. I feel stronger and bolder for having done it, and irrationally proud of my 28-page, 8,300-word story. I hope you find changing your rhythm and stretching your lines as rewarding as I did!</p>
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