Saturday, April 21. 2007
Can Poetry Please Get Real?
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Dana’s argument still holds a little merit, but much has changed since 1991. There is still that bastion of academia, but the rise of spoken word (some call it slam poetry) artists, more venues to perform and micro-publishing has assured that poetry — in all its myriad forms — will survive.
Hey Collin, thanks for stopping by.
It seems to me that many of the aspects Gioia points out seem to still be alive in the 21st century. And Gioia would likely characterize micropublishing as more tit-for-tat that dilutes popular appeal and insulates poets (and their microcommunities) from the general public. So, I’m not sure things have gotten "better" to Gioia’s worldview as presented in this essay. But I’m also not convinced such a worldview is large enough.
I was just reading Czeslaw Milosz yesterday, writing about how in Poland, first occupied by the Nazis and then the Soviets, poetry thrived as a necessary force. Likewise Val often notes how Poland is devoutly Catholic, whereas in France where the Communist anti-religion regimes were not in place, there is a lot of, well, ennui toward religion in general. Obviously both countries have more complex relationships to religion and literature than just to say they crave what is forbidden. But it seems to me that, historically, people turn to poetry, like spirituality, when they need it - and any arguments about why people are or are not reading poetry have to necessarily take into account the natural historical waxing and waning of this particular form.
Gioia was appointed head of the NEA by Bush, and so clearly believes in the need for benefactors to bolster art. I just don’t think pointing fingers at academia gets us anywhere given there are much larger forces at work determining whether or not our culture embraces poetry. That doesn’t mean give up on any of the tactics. It just means as much as we put it out there, poetry will only thrive as people will it so. If those people are academics, or micropublishers, so be it. And if Gioia can make poetry the next big thing more power to him. Or maybe it takes someone with broad popular appeal - you know, like the Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere.
It seems to me that many of the aspects Gioia points out seem to still be alive in the 21st century. And Gioia would likely characterize micropublishing as more tit-for-tat that dilutes popular appeal and insulates poets (and their microcommunities) from the general public. So, I’m not sure things have gotten "better" to Gioia’s worldview as presented in this essay. But I’m also not convinced such a worldview is large enough.
I was just reading Czeslaw Milosz yesterday, writing about how in Poland, first occupied by the Nazis and then the Soviets, poetry thrived as a necessary force. Likewise Val often notes how Poland is devoutly Catholic, whereas in France where the Communist anti-religion regimes were not in place, there is a lot of, well, ennui toward religion in general. Obviously both countries have more complex relationships to religion and literature than just to say they crave what is forbidden. But it seems to me that, historically, people turn to poetry, like spirituality, when they need it - and any arguments about why people are or are not reading poetry have to necessarily take into account the natural historical waxing and waning of this particular form.
Gioia was appointed head of the NEA by Bush, and so clearly believes in the need for benefactors to bolster art. I just don’t think pointing fingers at academia gets us anywhere given there are much larger forces at work determining whether or not our culture embraces poetry. That doesn’t mean give up on any of the tactics. It just means as much as we put it out there, poetry will only thrive as people will it so. If those people are academics, or micropublishers, so be it. And if Gioia can make poetry the next big thing more power to him. Or maybe it takes someone with broad popular appeal - you know, like the Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere.
Hey Robert, I really appreciated this insightful post. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Hi Greg, thanks for your comment. As you know, blogging can sometimes feel like hurling your thoughts down a well. So, thanks for taking the time to let me know you got something out of this.
I did not experience poetry as fun until I was way out of school.
I wonder how many teachers have experienced poetry as fun.
If teachers do not enjoy poetry how can they pass on enthusiasm or joy for the art form?
I wonder how many teachers have experienced poetry as fun.
If teachers do not enjoy poetry how can they pass on enthusiasm or joy for the art form?
I agree, Paul. Teachers are often first contact and most lasting impression. And how many teachers dare venture to teach contemporary poetry - even at the undergraduate level?
I found your reaction to Gioia’s article interesting, and I pretty well feel I’ve met a like mind. I myself published a lengthy article on the reaction over the last 15 years to Gioia’s article, in the most recent issue of the Rock Salt Plum Review. (Link can be found on my blog, under "BC Links"). I’m glad to have come across your blog, and will be bookmarking it soon.
Thanks, Brian. Given Gioia’s article has been dragged out every year for the past fifteen, a focused review of the various responses seems highly appropriate - especially in light of Gioia’s appointment to the NEA. I assume this is the one:
http://tinyurl.com/3y95qx
On the topic of likemindedness, I find time and again that the poets and critics with whom I feel generally sympatico invariably end up being Canadian. I am enjoying studying in the Pacific Northwest in part for the unpretentious atmosphere. Perhaps that trend follows latitude?
In any case, thanks for your kind words, and I look forward to hearing more from you - here, there and everywhere.
http://tinyurl.com/3y95qx
On the topic of likemindedness, I find time and again that the poets and critics with whom I feel generally sympatico invariably end up being Canadian. I am enjoying studying in the Pacific Northwest in part for the unpretentious atmosphere. Perhaps that trend follows latitude?
In any case, thanks for your kind words, and I look forward to hearing more from you - here, there and everywhere.
Poetry and poverty
They look the same to me
The difference rests solely on
The placement of tv
Hi Robert,
I’m not a poet or an academic, but I do enjoy poetry and write a little now and then to help me process my own thoughts. I found your site in a search for technical details of sonnet forms—just playing around. My elementary school kids think it’s cool that I play around with poetry. Just trying to do my part to pass on a love of well-strung words to the next generation.
Thanks for maintaining this site. Even someone like me can learn a lot here.
Oh, and the above little ditty just popped into my head as I finished reading this post. From me to you.
They look the same to me
The difference rests solely on
The placement of tv
Hi Robert,
I’m not a poet or an academic, but I do enjoy poetry and write a little now and then to help me process my own thoughts. I found your site in a search for technical details of sonnet forms—just playing around. My elementary school kids think it’s cool that I play around with poetry. Just trying to do my part to pass on a love of well-strung words to the next generation.
Thanks for maintaining this site. Even someone like me can learn a lot here.
Oh, and the above little ditty just popped into my head as I finished reading this post. From me to you.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Sherry. Notes like yours are a real boost.

