Sunday, March 25. 2007
Galway Kinnell's The Book of Nightmares
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Robert
Truthfully, when I saw this book in your sidebar, it didn’t really appeal to me. However, reading this passage DID!! I didn’t find it maddening at all….but a coherent logic and theme ran through the words…easy for me to follow and understand…..and masterfully written. However, as I have bipolar disorder and, therefore, some experience with madness, maybe I am just ‘wired’ to see and read things differently.
Yet another excellent post. And I must say, your list from Bell has been remarkably popular over at red dirt poetry. So thank you again for the ‘steal.’
red
Truthfully, when I saw this book in your sidebar, it didn’t really appeal to me. However, reading this passage DID!! I didn’t find it maddening at all….but a coherent logic and theme ran through the words…easy for me to follow and understand…..and masterfully written. However, as I have bipolar disorder and, therefore, some experience with madness, maybe I am just ‘wired’ to see and read things differently.
Yet another excellent post. And I must say, your list from Bell has been remarkably popular over at red dirt poetry. So thank you again for the ‘steal.’
red
Ms. Dirt,
I agree it is "logical" in the kind of slant logic where, "the fly, his back the hysterical green color of slime" is as significant to our understanding of conquest as everything else. Such is the logic of poetry. And while seeing the world a little sideways makes for great poetry, acting on such perceptions is something this world doesn’t always take kindly to (except maybe in reality TV). So, I hope you’re getting the support you need. I certainly have a lot of compassion for people dealing with any type or degree of mental illness.
Glad you enjoyed the list from Bell. You can imagine how thrilled I am to be at Pacific where he teaches.
Best,
Robert
I agree it is "logical" in the kind of slant logic where, "the fly, his back the hysterical green color of slime" is as significant to our understanding of conquest as everything else. Such is the logic of poetry. And while seeing the world a little sideways makes for great poetry, acting on such perceptions is something this world doesn’t always take kindly to (except maybe in reality TV). So, I hope you’re getting the support you need. I certainly have a lot of compassion for people dealing with any type or degree of mental illness.
Glad you enjoyed the list from Bell. You can imagine how thrilled I am to be at Pacific where he teaches.
Best,
Robert
Well logic is as logic does….
my point being that as a person whose brain is genetically and therefore chemically wired differently than what is considered ‘normal’…I tend to view and filter the world and words around me differently.
So his words made sense to me in that I found a coherence in his theme regarding the cruelty of humanity, our prejudice, our blood lusts, war and its devastation , its senselessness
…..and as most well functioning bipolars (and there are quite a few of us wandering around…and LIVING…..I do have a great ability to take care of myself, manage my ‘illness’ and create a support system. You might find this amusing: My psychiatrist’s name is Dr. Looney….He used to be in practice with a Dr. Tunes…..ha. I love irony.
But thank you for the concern.
Best back to you,
red
my point being that as a person whose brain is genetically and therefore chemically wired differently than what is considered ‘normal’…I tend to view and filter the world and words around me differently.
So his words made sense to me in that I found a coherence in his theme regarding the cruelty of humanity, our prejudice, our blood lusts, war and its devastation , its senselessness
…..and as most well functioning bipolars (and there are quite a few of us wandering around…and LIVING…..I do have a great ability to take care of myself, manage my ‘illness’ and create a support system. You might find this amusing: My psychiatrist’s name is Dr. Looney….He used to be in practice with a Dr. Tunes…..ha. I love irony.
But thank you for the concern.
Best back to you,
red
I’m glad to hear you are managing your condition with lots of good support.
"his words made sense to me in that I found a coherence in his theme regarding the cruelty of humanity, our prejudice, our blood lusts, war and its devastation, its senselessness."
Me too. Exactly. In a sense what he is saying is far more "sane" than what he is speaking out against. That’s the brilliance of the voice of madness - that it can, as Gabi points out below, invert the relationship between "sane" and "mad" - and make us question the belief systems brought to us by a crazy world.
"his words made sense to me in that I found a coherence in his theme regarding the cruelty of humanity, our prejudice, our blood lusts, war and its devastation, its senselessness."
Me too. Exactly. In a sense what he is saying is far more "sane" than what he is speaking out against. That’s the brilliance of the voice of madness - that it can, as Gabi points out below, invert the relationship between "sane" and "mad" - and make us question the belief systems brought to us by a crazy world.
This excerpt from Kinnell is brilliant example of visceral use of language to express the disgust and horror of what may be considered a "normal" manner of life, belief and action. It holds up a dark mirror through which to inversely consider the irrationality of rational behaviour and thought. I particularly appreciate the phantasmagoric descriptions ("thumb stump wisps of smoke…" the dull world where the kissing flower may bloom…")which overall, to me at least, relate somewhat to Surrealist ideas, and free-associative ways of generating imagery.
Gabi, I love the idea of the mirror of reality that inverts our perception of rationality - just as a real mirror "flips" the image. The imagery is free-associative, in a way, but also in some sense conveys the result of what seems to have been a deep meditation on this theme - that is, these are somehow extremely appropriate images - viscerally so - as opposed to just being weird, clever or strange for their own sake. They serve a purpose that prose (more "rational behaviour") simply could not: inverting that relationship, speaking to the /oscura/ archetypes within us that somehow inherently understand what this "means" and respond with a deeper recognition.
Does anyone know from where the artwork from The Book Of Nightmares is taken from ? Its fantastic, and enhances greatly the overall effect. I’d like to search it out and would appreciate any help.
Hi Jonathan,
Mr. Google claims Mary Azarian created the woodcut prints in that book. I, too, found it strange and irksome that I could not find acknowledgment of the visual artist behind those prints anywhere between the covers of my copy of that book. I agree it enhances the work as a whole.
Cheers,
Robert
Mr. Google claims Mary Azarian created the woodcut prints in that book. I, too, found it strange and irksome that I could not find acknowledgment of the visual artist behind those prints anywhere between the covers of my copy of that book. I agree it enhances the work as a whole.
Cheers,
Robert
Thanks for the response, however, although she is a woodcut artist, Mary Azarian tells me she in fact did NOT do these. I recently found the cover art : It is by D. Stolcius von Stolcenberg from an alchemical book called Viridarium chemical, Frankfurt, 1624. The accompanying text reads “My spirit wants to be with the soul above. So that none of the others fly, the grave is artificially closed….I am like a raven when two weeks have past.” Usually I don’t pay much attention to cover art, but its such a rarity to see such a pure marriage of poetry and art, most illustrators depict only the material, not the spiritual , aspects of a poem. Thanks much, Jonathan McCormack
Fascinating. Thanks for looping back to share this info. So did Mary do the inside art but not the cover? Or were the numerous Google references to her just totally wrong?
According to her she did none, although she is a woodcut artist and has a website. Mostly they look to be from Medieval alchemical texts. Its interesting because the poem itself has a kind of ancient, dark-ages mystic vibe to it, though of course its completely modern.
Interesting. To me there is a kind of "witch-ey" quality to the work, as though MacBeth’s weird sisters are looking on.
Hi,
I’m a composer of contemporary classical music, and I recently finished a song cycle on selected poetry from this book. (the poems I chose are the less-provocative ones compared to the one Robert has posted, though that one is one of my favorites). I wanted to express my gratitude and appreciation for Mr. Kinnell. I feel profoundly moved by the book of nightmares. Could anyone tell me what other poets write in this style?
Also, I wanted to ask people here, who know this work and happen to be artists as well, if they have any experience with the publisher of the book of nightmares. I want to get a performance of my song cycle at school, this performance is completely non profit and it’s merely a part of my education as a composer. I’m having some difficulty contacting the publisher (calls and letters didn’t work). Any ideas/help would be much appreciated.
Best,
G
I’m a composer of contemporary classical music, and I recently finished a song cycle on selected poetry from this book. (the poems I chose are the less-provocative ones compared to the one Robert has posted, though that one is one of my favorites). I wanted to express my gratitude and appreciation for Mr. Kinnell. I feel profoundly moved by the book of nightmares. Could anyone tell me what other poets write in this style?
Also, I wanted to ask people here, who know this work and happen to be artists as well, if they have any experience with the publisher of the book of nightmares. I want to get a performance of my song cycle at school, this performance is completely non profit and it’s merely a part of my education as a composer. I’m having some difficulty contacting the publisher (calls and letters didn’t work). Any ideas/help would be much appreciated.
Best,
G
Hi Giti,
Thanks for stopping by. The idea of a song cycle based on this work fascinates me. Unfortunately, I do not know how to contact the publisher. That said, copyright tends to revert to the author, so you might try contacting Mr. Kinnell directly.
With regard to similar works, as I said, above, Kinnell draws on the tradition of the mad rant ala Eliot and Ginsberg. But this work remains uniquely Kinnell’s — I have seen few equals since.
Good luck with your performance of the piece.
Best,
Robert
Thanks for stopping by. The idea of a song cycle based on this work fascinates me. Unfortunately, I do not know how to contact the publisher. That said, copyright tends to revert to the author, so you might try contacting Mr. Kinnell directly.
With regard to similar works, as I said, above, Kinnell draws on the tradition of the mad rant ala Eliot and Ginsberg. But this work remains uniquely Kinnell’s — I have seen few equals since.
Good luck with your performance of the piece.
Best,
Robert
Hi Robert,
Thanks for the reply. Do you know how I can get a hold of Mr. Kinnell?
Best,
Giti
Thanks for the reply. Do you know how I can get a hold of Mr. Kinnell?
Best,
Giti
Hi Giti,
I have made an inquiry and will let you know if I come up with anything.
Best,
Robert
I have made an inquiry and will let you know if I come up with anything.
Best,
Robert







