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		<title>By: The Taste of River Water &#171; The Echidna and the Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Taste of River Water &#171; The Echidna and the Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] poet Claudia Emerson thinks in terms of clarity rather than accessibility and complexity rather than difficulty. Poets [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JNagarya</title>
		<link>http://www.robertpeake.com/archives/262-Give-Our-Bells-Back-Their-Tongues.html/comment-page-1#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>JNagarya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poetry is not anti-intellectual; but it is not an intellectual exercise. 

One does not, during the writing, ask such questions as, &quot;Is this &#039;complex&#039; enough?  Does it sufficiently baffle the reader?&quot; 

One writes, as truthfully and accurately as one can, and the &quot;complexity&quot; takes care of itself.  

A poem &quot;is&quot;; it is &quot;zeroing-in,&quot; not a theory &quot;about&quot;.

A poem is a verb -- the result of visceral action.  All the &quot;critical&quot; &quot;evaluation&quot; and &quot;analysis&quot; come after the fact -- if at all. 

I recall a poem I wrote decades ago (&quot;On a Beautiful Morning with the Sun Out&quot;), in/with which I strove to be as open, &quot;accessible,&quot; clear and obvious, as possible -- to, in a word, _give_ the _experience_, rather than an &quot;artifact&quot; &quot;about&quot; the experience. 

I struggled to leave out _all_ potentially misunderstood extranea -- &quot;complexity&quot;. 

Decades later, not having read it in at least ten years, I reread it -- and was stunned at the emotional complexities in it; complexities I had not been aware of at the time, let alone intended to include. 

&quot;Accessible&quot;?  Yes.  Of &quot;clarity&quot;?  Without question.  &quot;Complex&quot;?  Unavoidably.

It&#039;s not that complicted: 

Write honestly and truthfully, accurately, and let the head-gamers worry about the presumed differences between &quot;complexity&quot; and &quot;difficulty&quot; -- about what degree of arrogant insularity/&quot;complextiy&quot;/&quot;difficulty&quot;/blah-blah-blah must be consciously, deliberately &quot;built in&quot; to &quot;transform&quot; a piece of writing from prosaic to &quot;poetry&quot;.

About what is &quot;necessary&quot; to make one&#039;s poems &quot;superior&quot; to those against whom one insecurely measures oneself, and with whom one competes in running perplexed circles around even oneself. 

Stop trying to be a &quot;poet,&quot; or to convince others -- but especially oneself -- that one is a &quot;poet&quot;.  Strive instead -- in _all_ things -- to _feel_ that one is not a fraud.

All else?  97-plus per cent of &quot;literary criticism&quot; is a self-involved cottage industry irrelevant to &quot;literature,&quot; and to which &quot;literature&quot; is irrelevant.  Shopsters &quot;talking shop&quot; with shopsters.

By contrast, being is not a career, and a verb cannot be taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poetry is not anti-intellectual; but it is not an intellectual exercise. </p>
<p>One does not, during the writing, ask such questions as, &#8220;Is this &#8216;complex&#8217; enough?  Does it sufficiently baffle the reader?&#8221; </p>
<p>One writes, as truthfully and accurately as one can, and the &#8220;complexity&#8221; takes care of itself.  </p>
<p>A poem &#8220;is&#8221;; it is &#8220;zeroing-in,&#8221; not a theory &#8220;about&#8221;.</p>
<p>A poem is a verb &#8212; the result of visceral action.  All the &#8220;critical&#8221; &#8220;evaluation&#8221; and &#8220;analysis&#8221; come after the fact &#8212; if at all. </p>
<p>I recall a poem I wrote decades ago (&#8220;On a Beautiful Morning with the Sun Out&#8221;), in/with which I strove to be as open, &#8220;accessible,&#8221; clear and obvious, as possible &#8212; to, in a word, _give_ the _experience_, rather than an &#8220;artifact&#8221; &#8220;about&#8221; the experience. </p>
<p>I struggled to leave out _all_ potentially misunderstood extranea &#8212; &#8220;complexity&#8221;. </p>
<p>Decades later, not having read it in at least ten years, I reread it &#8212; and was stunned at the emotional complexities in it; complexities I had not been aware of at the time, let alone intended to include. </p>
<p>&#8220;Accessible&#8221;?  Yes.  Of &#8220;clarity&#8221;?  Without question.  &#8220;Complex&#8221;?  Unavoidably.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that complicted: </p>
<p>Write honestly and truthfully, accurately, and let the head-gamers worry about the presumed differences between &#8220;complexity&#8221; and &#8220;difficulty&#8221; &#8212; about what degree of arrogant insularity/&#8221;complextiy&#8221;/&#8221;difficulty&#8221;/blah-blah-blah must be consciously, deliberately &#8220;built in&#8221; to &#8220;transform&#8221; a piece of writing from prosaic to &#8220;poetry&#8221;.</p>
<p>About what is &#8220;necessary&#8221; to make one&#8217;s poems &#8220;superior&#8221; to those against whom one insecurely measures oneself, and with whom one competes in running perplexed circles around even oneself. </p>
<p>Stop trying to be a &#8220;poet,&#8221; or to convince others &#8212; but especially oneself &#8212; that one is a &#8220;poet&#8221;.  Strive instead &#8212; in _all_ things &#8212; to _feel_ that one is not a fraud.</p>
<p>All else?  97-plus per cent of &#8220;literary criticism&#8221; is a self-involved cottage industry irrelevant to &#8220;literature,&#8221; and to which &#8220;literature&#8221; is irrelevant.  Shopsters &#8220;talking shop&#8221; with shopsters.</p>
<p>By contrast, being is not a career, and a verb cannot be taught.</p>
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		<title>By: JNagarya</title>
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		<dc:creator>JNagarya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much talk (much of it self-flattering), condescension, and competitive on-the-sleeve &quot;erudition&quot; about not being those; 

So little communication.

Over 40 years and I&#039;m still trying to overcome the academic.  

So much round-about unadmitted effort to &quot;figure out&quot; the &quot;game,&quot; the &quot;gimmicks&quot;. 

To paraphrase bobby d.:

&quot;Twenty years of schoolin&#039;!?/
&quot;Put me on the [night] shift!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much talk (much of it self-flattering), condescension, and competitive on-the-sleeve &#8220;erudition&#8221; about not being those; </p>
<p>So little communication.</p>
<p>Over 40 years and I&#8217;m still trying to overcome the academic.  </p>
<p>So much round-about unadmitted effort to &#8220;figure out&#8221; the &#8220;game,&#8221; the &#8220;gimmicks&#8221;. </p>
<p>To paraphrase bobby d.:</p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty years of schoolin&#8217;!?/<br />
&#8220;Put me on the [night] shift!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s when they all start standing up saying, &quot;I am Spartacus&quot; that I know I&#039;ve let them watch too many movies.

...wow are we off topic. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s when they all start standing up saying, &#8220;I am Spartacus&#8221; that I know I&#8217;ve let them watch too many movies.</p>
<p>&#8230;wow are we off topic. <img src="http://cdn.robertpeake.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?84cd58" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thepoetryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepoetryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they say &quot;I am Robert Peake&quot;, I&#039;ll consider myself lucky to not have them say, &quot;I am Caesar&quot;, or &quot;I am Karl Rove&quot;, or &quot;Genghis Khan&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they say &#8220;I am Robert Peake&#8221;, I&#8217;ll consider myself lucky to not have them say, &#8220;I am Caesar&#8221;, or &#8220;I am Karl Rove&#8221;, or &#8220;Genghis Khan&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Just remember - if the voices in your head say, &quot;I am Robert Peake&quot; - they&#039;re lying. I&#039;m out here! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Just remember &#8211; if the voices in your head say, &#8220;I am Robert Peake&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re lying. I&#8217;m out here! <img src="http://cdn.robertpeake.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?84cd58" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thepoetryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepoetryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing. It&#039;d be okay on a t-shirt but trying to explain it may prove difficult.

Robert,
Methinks I&#039;ll add you to my Echoing Voices...Those on my sidebar, not those in my head.

Peace,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing. It&#8217;d be okay on a t-shirt but trying to explain it may prove difficult.</p>
<p>Robert,<br />
Methinks I&#8217;ll add you to my Echoing Voices&#8230;Those on my sidebar, not those in my head.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the acronym just rolls off the tongue...

Thanks for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the acronym just rolls off the tongue&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: thepoetryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepoetryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here&#039;s to National Give The Art Back To The People month.&quot; The &quot;NGTABTTPM&quot;

Now that&#039;s a month (or a year) I could get behind! 

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s to National Give The Art Back To The People month.&#8221; The &#8220;NGTABTTPM&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s a month (or a year) I could get behind! </p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s to National Give The Art Back To The People month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s to National Give The Art Back To The People month.</p>
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		<title>By: thepoetryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepoetryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Shakespeare might have a thing or two to add to the &quot;a critical education/understanding&quot; of poetry to be understood. The assumptions in that way of thinking are obvious and dangerous.

David Mamet said, &quot;The difference between entertainment and art is &lt;b&gt;accessibilty&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;necessity&lt;/b&gt;. Which I think sums up my thinking on the poem and its set aside month of recognition. I too am a fan of Frost and he influenced me greatly. Shakespeare, however, had the most profound effect on me personally. 

He broke down barriers and opened the gates for the common people. I feel art evolves and with it it carries the &quot;DNA&quot; of future peoples and artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Shakespeare might have a thing or two to add to the &#8220;a critical education/understanding&#8221; of poetry to be understood. The assumptions in that way of thinking are obvious and dangerous.</p>
<p>David Mamet said, &#8220;The difference between entertainment and art is <b>accessibilty</b> and <b>necessity</b>. Which I think sums up my thinking on the poem and its set aside month of recognition. I too am a fan of Frost and he influenced me greatly. Shakespeare, however, had the most profound effect on me personally. </p>
<p>He broke down barriers and opened the gates for the common people. I feel art evolves and with it it carries the &#8220;DNA&#8221; of future peoples and artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..and are also known by your initials. Spooky. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and are also known by your initials. Spooky. <img src="http://cdn.robertpeake.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?84cd58" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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